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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2011, 02:37:02 PM » |
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Also you said point to another book where the hero is out of costume that much.....that happens a lot. Daredevil would go whole arcs without being in costume under Bendis. And that's the problem with comics these days... heath |
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« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2011, 01:30:10 AM » |
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"yea... it's a lot of fun reading about everyone standing around talking for the whole issue. Oh look, it's part 6.. We should probably wrap it up soon, no fighting tho.. just a heated debate."  |
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« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2011, 11:04:08 AM » |
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"yea... it's a lot of fun reading about everyone standing around talking for the whole issue. Oh look, it's part 6.. We should probably wrap it up soon, no fighting tho.. just a heated debate." That's where the smart comic thing comes in. It's not just about punching someone until you win. |
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« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2011, 11:06:10 AM » |
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It's dull. VERY dull.
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« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2011, 04:54:52 PM » |
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That's where the smart comic thing comes in. It's not just about punching someone until you win.
Oh, absolutely. But, the shift away from the action elements towards the drama is a plague to the comic industry. A good writer knows how to strike a balance between the two that gives us the needed dramatic build-up with an action-packed payoff. They're called SUPER heroes for a reason. This trend towards talking heads and issues upon issues of expository claptrap from the writers is growing thin. Something I'm noticing is that older fans (and fans-turned pro) seem to be embarrassed by the fact that grown men and women dress up in tights and beat on each other. Hence the change in costumes toward "realism" and the endless dramatic snoozefests with a splash of occasional action we get instead of action-oriented dramas that they should be. And I keep hearing, "but it's what the fans want!" yet I see a readership that's getting smaller by the year. Something Stan Lee said many years ago still stands: "Never give the fans what they think they want." 'Nuff said... |
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« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2011, 06:49:16 PM » |
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"yea... it's a lot of fun reading about everyone standing around talking for the whole issue. Oh look, it's part 6.. We should probably wrap it up soon, no fighting tho.. just a heated debate." That's where the smart comic thing comes in. It's not just about punching someone until you win. --No, i agree with you on that statement, a hero vs villian fighting for 6 issues,even 1 issue would not be exciting to read either. I like the conversations, I like the character development, I like the drama in the Iron Man series. BUT there does need to be some excitement in a 'super hero' comic, that's how it's always been. More than anything, Stan Lee and the Tales of Suspense issues did that better than anyone since. (of course Dave and Bob are right up there) |
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« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2011, 06:59:28 PM » |
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Bringing the topic back to Jedi's letter. . . he does very well point out all that's been wrong and lacking since 'That Guy" took over. In the nearly 40 issues that Matt as written, you only see IM in action, vs a villain (not counting missiles controlled by kids and a iphone) maybe 3 or 4 times. Just imagine that in most all other super hero comics. . . I don't see who the heroes or the writers themselves would get to far.
Again, I'm not ripping on Mandarin or Fraction fans, or even Fraction himself (too much). A lot of the blame for this goes to the editors and the higher-ups at Marvel themselves for giving these boring, un-original stories the "OK''
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« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2011, 09:20:41 PM » |
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A lot of the blame for this goes to the editors and the higher-ups at Marvel themselves for giving these boring, un-original stories the "OK''
I gotta chime in on this. On paper, these stories sound great. The back of the trades make the book sound exciting. The problem isn't the idea, it's the execution. It's probably why Fraction's best issues are always the first issue of a new arc. Disassembled, Resilient, Doc-Ock, and the current fear itself tie-in arc all had solid to ok openings only to catapult into pure crap by the second issue sometimes. |
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« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2011, 10:12:18 PM » |
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That's most of the stuff I've read, including the first Ultimates, Fraction's stuff, JMS' Spider-Man (way overrated), Wanted, etc. Exciting ideas, boring execution after 2 issues.
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« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2011, 05:30:29 AM » |
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It's decompressed storytelling that's killing the flow these days. Like Typhon said, the stories sound great as a plot synopsis on paper. But once you pad it out to six issues, something gets lost. Most of these stories could be told in half the issues, and they'd probably be better for it. Heck, Stan Lee or Roy Thomas could have done these arcs in ONE issue and they would have been jam-packed with action and drama.
This trend of "writing for the trade" has me reading less and less modern comics. With a lot of books now carrying a $4 price tag, I expect substance not fluff for my dollars.
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« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2011, 09:42:08 AM » |
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I'd say to put the complaint of Stark always apologizing for being a monster and "eating humble pie" first, and specifically contrast a lot of moments like that to issue #6 of Fraction's run where he said to Zeke Stane "You think I care what people think of me?"--reminding them we're supposed to like Tony. Starting with the "decompressed storytelling" beef will probably make them write you off as an old fogey comic book reader who can't adapt to new storytelling.
Otherwise, good letter.
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« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2011, 04:57:54 PM » |
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It's decompressed storytelling that's killing the flow these days. Like Typhon said, the stories sound great as a plot synopsis on paper. But once you pad it out to six issues, something gets lost. Most of these stories could be told in half the issues, and they'd probably be better for it. Heck, Stan Lee or Roy Thomas could have done these arcs in ONE issue and they would have been jam-packed with action and drama.
This trend of "writing for the trade" has me reading less and less modern comics. With a lot of books now carrying a $4 price tag, I expect substance not fluff for my dollars.
Is it bad that, reading TPBs from the 90's, it takes me as long to read a single issue as it does to read almost an entire arc with some of today's stories? Christ, if I want some reading material for the bathroom, I'm not sure WMW would last me the entire time... |
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