War Machine Vs. Iron Man . . .

[Cool Exec]

Poor Rodey.

Yeah, IM is sorta' like Batman that way.  He's smart about how he fights.  Still, I personally think Rodey ought to be better out of the Armor.  Makes more sense and gives Rodey fans something to be proud of. 

I think of Rodey as intrinisicly a better, more ruthless fighter, but IM is a creative genius at everything so he applies that to his fighting skills and comes out on top.

Of EVERYONE.   

[JDD01]

They're evenly balanced in their suits, where they fit into each others fighting style. Which means either way they could tie in heated battle. It's just my opinion at this point.

[IronManKyle]

I agree with Mr. Roger's excellent point-
In Armor::: Iron Man over War Machine
W/O Armor::: Rhodey over Tony, but... not by much, it'll be one hell of a fight
--it's kinda like the Bat Man vs Iron Man, IM for sure, but Just Bruce vs Just Tony... it'd be Mr. Wayne  :/  (hard for me to say not being much of a DC fan. But Bats. is ok)

[Iron YoJimBo]

I don't think its even a close fight... even in the movie the Mk VI power source is supposedly revolutionary (i don't think they made it evident in the fight scene) this means that the MK VI is like generations ahead of the WM armor.

In the comic books the current armor is even further ahead.

Also I don't get how in the movie the mk II has an arc reactor power source when apparently Tony destroys them as he improves them. Also its based of the old palatium which in addition to killing Tony was not lasting very long.

The Mk II would have had the same power source as the Mk I as it wasn't until or at the most a proto type of the MK III.

Also the Mk VI on its own should have been way more powerful then whiplash armor given the power source, however that would have trivialized warmachine in the final fight.

I believe that the war machine armor had a third generation arc reactor, the first one tony built in a cave, then was later used to power the Mk III for a brief time but was depleted. The Mk II was meant to go to Rhodey in the first place or Tony wouldn't have bothered putting a power supply in. The power source for the Mk VI was indeed revolutionary, however the Mk VI is really  just the chest piece. the rest of his armor is the Mk IV platform. As far as I know, the power source did not determine the strength of the armor per se, & upon re-watching (happily) the battle scenes a few more times I saw that the Hammeriods were the shoddy construction Hammer was known for, & Vanko's was a custom job, though where he found the time one only knows. Tony's Mk IV/VI Armor is a streamlined version of the Mk III & it's only six months after the events of the first movie. The armors at this point are probably very similar in interior workings, with one major difference being that the Mk II had no weapons (shown) prior to the intervention of the military. That being rambled, under Vanko's control & with the minigun probably firing armor piercing ammunition it looked like Tony was holding on for dear life in the seconds before Black Widow rebooted the suit. As I see the fight with  armored Whiplash, Vanko did study Tony, knew about the pallidium poisoning, & was smart enough to come up with an arc reactor of his own. Hack his way in the Hammer mainframe in seconds, build & program drones to fight Iron Man, & hack into the War Machine armor. That would put his brains at a level near Tony's.

[SirReef]

Well, it just depends on the writer and the writer's goals doesn't it?

I mean, they could make Ant Man rip apart Iron Man, if it suited their goals.  Or do we forget Steve Rogers simply de-masking Iron Man like he was armored in tin foil?

If we were to ignore agendas - than I would say Tony without equivocation.  His suit would be technologically superior in every conceivable way.  The Iron Man suit, theoretically, should be able to rip the War Machine suit apart.

To me, it's like asking - which machine would compute this complex formula faster a Pentium from 2000 or a Quad-Core Intel Chip from 2011?

[Roger A Ott II]

Well, it just depends on the writer and the writer's goals doesn't it?

Which is one of the main problems I have with a lot of comics these days.  More often than not, stories are not driven by the character, they're written because it's something the writer wants to write, and the characters are then shoehorned into the story.  An Iron Man story should be an Iron Man story, not a story that just happens to have Iron Man in it.

[Brian]

I'm gonna go against the grain here.

In a stand up, knock-down, drag-out fight, War Machine beat Iron Man. Reason? War Machine is built to be an offensive force, while Iron Man is built to be a technician. The comparison would be a Ranger Battalion versus a Special Forces Group. In a stand up fight, the Rangers win. If it involves a lot of sneaking around, the Special Forces wins.

If Iron Man has time to plan the fight, I'd go with Iron Man. If it's just an arena match, War Machine.

[Iron YoJimBo]

Hi guys, both the missus & my win xp died a couple weeks ago. So I'm responding from my LG 'not so smart' phone     Ok. LOVE that last response. Brings to mind something I read once, comparing Tony's armor to a high priced sportscar, & Rhodey's to a souped up musclecar. (My favorite being  the 1967 CJS Ford Mustang)

[Iron Kaiser]

I'm gonna go against the grain here.

In a stand up, knock-down, drag-out fight, War Machine beat Iron Man. Reason? War Machine is built to be an offensive force, while Iron Man is built to be a technician. The comparison would be a Ranger Battalion versus a Special Forces Group. In a stand up fight, the Rangers win. If it involves a lot of sneaking around, the Special Forces wins.

If Iron Man has time to plan the fight, I'd go with Iron Man. If it's just an arena match, War Machine.

I'm starting to wonder if War Machine's conventional weapons would really be that much of an issue for Iron Man.  In Iron Man volume 3 #12 Tony commented that every bullet fired by War Machine should just bounce harmlessly off of him but were a serious annoyance due to the injuries he sustained in issue #8.  Take out the guns, and that just leaves a flamethrower, a missile launcher, a particle beam discharger, a pulse cannon, Repulsor Rays, a Unibeam, EMP emitters and a laser blade.  I highly doubt Tony will succumb to the flamethrower given it most likely isn't going to generate enough heat to pressure cook him in his suit.  The Missiles can either be evaded, shot down, jammed, or subjected to a multitude of other counter-measures.  It's really only the directed energy weapons that Tony needs to be afraid of as well as the missile launcher assuming Rhodey  can saturate him with missiles in such a way that his targeting computers can't compensate well enough to effectively administer counter-measures.  All of the DEWs that War Machine packs are matched but Iron Man's own built in DEWs so when it really comes down to it the firepower advantage that Rhodey has isn't really all that staggering.  Henceforth, I stand by my belief that Iron Man would win.

[Brian]

Doesn't this also depend on what version of War Machine and Iron Man we're talking about?

Rhodey just got a new upgrade with capabilities what we're unsure about.

Tony doesn't use his armor enough times to really know it's capabilities.

I'll go with my suggestion.

[SirReef]

The comparison would be a Ranger Battalion versus a Special Forces Group. In a stand up fight, the Rangers win. If it involves a lot of sneaking around, the Special Forces wins.

Ummmm... uhhhhh.... no.

The only reason the Ranger Battalion would beat a special forces squad is sheer, overwhelming numbers.  If the numbers were even remotely equal, it's a no-contest. 

Soldier to soldier, pound for pound, the elite special forces are ridiculously well-trained.

We are talking about people that, in unison, sniped pirates off the back of a rocking boat. 

Rangers are soldiers.  Special Forces are professional soldiers.  It's like comparing a high school football team to the New England Patriots. 

When it comes to Iron Man vs War Machine, I'd agree ... Tony is the special forces.  His armor would be light years ahead of War Machine.

It'd be like comparing the F-16 to the Sopwith Camel. 

[Iron YoJimBo]

I'd say it's more like comparing an F-22 raptor (Iron Man) to a refitted A-10 tank hunter\killer (War Machine). & I try to keep in mind that Tony, as a hero HAS to win & that it seems hard to come up with a great WM story (short of him filling in for IM).

[Brian]

The comparison would be a Ranger Battalion versus a Special Forces Group. In a stand up fight, the Rangers win. If it involves a lot of sneaking around, the Special Forces wins.

Ummmm... uhhhhh.... no.

The only reason the Ranger Battalion would beat a special forces squad is sheer, overwhelming numbers.  If the numbers were even remotely equal, it's a no-contest. 

Soldier to soldier, pound for pound, the elite special forces are ridiculously well-trained.

We are talking about people that, in unison, sniped pirates off the back of a rocking boat. 

Rangers are soldiers.  Special Forces are professional soldiers.  It's like comparing a high school football team to the New England Patriots. 

When it comes to Iron Man vs War Machine, I'd agree ... Tony is the special forces.  His armor would be light years ahead of War Machine.

It'd be like comparing the F-16 to the Sopwith Camel. 

I have to disagree. Army Rangers are shock troops. They are there for heavy duty infantry fighting. They are the heavy stick. For example, in WWII, on D-Day (June 6), they were chosen to scale Pointe du Hoc to take out gun at the top.

Special Forces are the surgical tool. They will hang out for days to get a shot.

That's not to say that a Special Forces soldier couldn't do something that a Ranger could do. It's just that the Rangers are trained to perform one mission and Special Forces are trained for another mission.

War Machine is there to hit someone so hard his great-grand kids say ow! Iron Man would take someone out before he has a chance to think.

Thus, in a straight up arena match, I'd go with War Machine. In a campaign, Iron Man.

[Iron YoJimBo]

I agree. I see Tony more as a general, than a special ops soldier. Kinda like Tony's Gen. Patton & Rhodey's Capt. Marcinko.