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« on: November 12, 2010, 12:41:32 PM » |
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Who do you think would win ? (& why) I know it was done in a few cases, but let's have some fresh thoughts on the matter, especially given the two AWE inspiring scenes from Iron Man 2
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James Rupert Rhodes (War Machine/Iron Man)
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 12:55:03 PM » |
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Unless War Machine breaks out some tac-nukes, I do not see any of his conventional projectile armament doing much damage to Iron Man's current armor.
Then again, I am uncertain as to the exact capabilities of both modern War Machine and Iron Man armor (seeing as they don't do all that much in the comics these days).
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2010, 02:05:28 PM » |
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Well, I think Rhodey, as a viet nam vet, would have a slightly more savage (& permanant) view on how to put down an opponent. That, & he faced his share of super heros in the red & golds, so I think he'd be at least as familar as Tony with most of the suits & their fuctions, as well as possibly their tactical capabilites & weaknesses. Of course, I'm just baised to Rhodey !!  |
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2010, 04:03:02 PM » |
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Iron Man beats War Machine in the long run, because nobody knows armor like Tony Stark, so he'd figure out a way to neutralize the WM suit and leave Rhodey in a high-tech tin can.
Now, sans armor, Rhodey would have a definite advantage, but Stark has done some training with Captain America, so...
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 05:45:33 PM » |
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Even knowledge of the armors aside, it will boil down to whether or not Rhodes is capable of using his combat training to take down Stark before Stark can think of a way to beat him. Tony has faced his fair share of villains who are far better trained in combat than he is, and he always comes out on top because he is smarter and knows how to use his surroundings to his advantage. As they say, mind over matter and I think Stark's smarts and experience in the super hero gig will give him the win.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2010, 07:20:53 PM » |
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Tony. For me, this isn't even a question.
Actually, if Rhodey was pissed off to the point where if really wanted to kill Tony, I think it would be a massive slugfest, but I believe Tony would still win because, while he doesn't like it, Tony will pull the trigger if necessary.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2010, 10:17:19 PM » |
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Iron Man wins. This is not necessarily a one-sided fight, but Iron Man still holds years (in real time) of experience over Rhodes and also has faced a much larger number of villains than Rhodey. Even though Rhodey did fight many of Iron Man's classic foes as Iron Man II during O'Neill's run, it was evidenced in issue #192 that even a recently sobered Tony in a makeshift piece of crap suit can best an angry bloodthirsty Rhodey in a far superior armor. Tony likened that particular confrontation to pitting the Wright flyer against an F-4 Phantom II. This solidifies the argument made by others already that brains beats brawn. Not only that, but as evidenced in Iron Man volume 3 #12 when Parnell Jacobs used the War Machine against Iron Man, Tony stated that the conventional weapons on War Machine should only bounce off of his armor and that the only reason he was losing was because he was bleeding profusely and was still suffering from broken ribs and other injuries incurred from vol 3 issue #8 as well as the fact that the energy fields from his armor were killing him. So yeah, Iron Man beats War Machine for the main reason being that War Machine's suit doesn't bring anything to the table that IM doesn't have a counter-measure against and Tony knows the War Machine suit inside and out and would know how to exploit any weakness in it. The same can only be said for Rhodey if he receives huge amounts of tech support from Morley Erwin who is dead and therefore incapable of providing assistance.  |
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2010, 09:12:30 AM » |
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We're assuming we have a good writer, right?  Tony, hands down. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2010, 11:18:41 AM » |
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We're assuming we have a good writer, right? I know it's a lot to ask, but yes. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2010, 07:13:11 AM » |
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Heh, in that case I'll have to just be really happy with Iron Man 2. Even with less time in a suit, Rhodey seemed to have gotten the upper hand on Tony. I know Tony was drunk, but in my opinion that kinda evened things out in that scene. In the second scene where they first crashed in the Oracle gardens, it looked like the Vanko controlled armor was getting the upper hand until it was rebooted. But in this universe Tony's just getting started out, not like the many years of experience he had on Rhodey in the comics.
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I don't care what color you are, where you come from, what god you worship, who you date, or what your DNA looks like under a scanner.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2010, 09:27:19 AM » |
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Now, sans armor, Rhodey would have a definite advantage, but Stark has done some training with Captain America, so... It's been a while, but either during AWII or the Dragon Seed Saga Rhodey has a thought balloon commenting that he normally wouldn't be able to take Tony out in a fist fight. I'm just sayin'... |
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2010, 11:56:00 AM » |
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Yeah, that was in Now, sans armor, Rhodey would have a definite advantage, but Stark has done some training with Captain America, so... It's been a while, but either during AWII or the Dragon Seed Saga Rhodey has a thought balloon commenting that he normally wouldn't be able to take Tony out in a fist fight. I'm just sayin'...You are correct! Iron Man 262 (November, 1990) Page 25, last panel. Oh, and 20 years ago! Yikes! |
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2010, 03:32:56 PM » |
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Nice find ! Sadly, none of my collection survived the multiple moves across the years. However I don't think I mind starting over again.
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I don't care what color you are, where you come from, what god you worship, who you date, or what your DNA looks like under a scanner.
James Rupert Rhodes (War Machine/Iron Man)
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2010, 09:28:29 PM » |
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Wow Roger, that was some slick drawing of the comic issues! I would have never remembered Rhodes saying that. Well, I guess that only further adds to the pro-Iron Man part of the debate so I guess Iron Man wins this.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2010, 09:59:55 PM » |
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I don't think its even a close fight... even in the movie the Mk VI power source is supposedly revolutionary (i don't think they made it evident in the fight scene) this means that the MK VI is like generations ahead of the WM armor.
In the comic books the current armor is even further ahead.
Also I don't get how in the movie the mk II has an arc reactor power source when apparently Tony destroys them as he improves them. Also its based of the old palatium which in addition to killing Tony was not lasting very long.
The Mk II would have had the same power source as the Mk I as it wasn't until or at the most a proto type of the MK III.
Also the Mk VI on its own should have been way more powerful then whiplash armor given the power source, however that would have trivialized warmachine in the final fight.
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