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Author Topic: Marvel Noir books ,missing the boat without Iron Man  (Read 7699 times)
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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2008, 05:34:17 PM »

As promised (and requested; thanks JD. Hope you don't mind, "borrowed" the fedora and overcoat Cheesy), IJ's pulp Iron Man:

That design totally rocks and that gattling gun really looks cool. My early design had that but it was more like a bulky version that was akin to the first appearance suit. However as I redesign it, I took off the Gattling in favor of the infamous Tommy Gun because it felt it fitted the tone. Plus you drew the coat better than I could've which I like by the way.     
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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2008, 05:53:36 PM »

CD ,your link did not work I could not see the image

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Alright, just go here and scroll down to the entry labeled 'Iron Pulp'
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2008, 05:57:13 AM »

And just b/c Buck (sorry not a colorist), CD, JDD, & Mr. Fab had such nice things to say:
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2008, 09:57:02 AM »

A gray, mysterious figure in fedora and trenchcoat stood alone in the diffuse glow of a streetlamp as a chill fog rolled in from the docks. Shadows obscurred his features but it's never a good thing to see someone like this alone because they're either in trouble or looking to cause it....
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2008, 07:56:45 PM »

Jedi,

Thanks for the complement,and you are top notch  artist w/o being a colorist.

You have the concept of a pulp style Iron Man down pat,and I dare anybody to tell  you otherwise.

Great work I wish I had the same talent as you,but mine is in mechanical drawing,and cannot wait to share my work in another thread that I started,but how do you upload images into a post do I have save the file in Photobucket first then send the link.

Let me know b/c I respect your council.(no pun intended)

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« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2008, 10:18:58 AM »

Thanks once again, Buck.

If your image is 128 Kb or smaller, you can just click on the "Addition Options..." link below the window you enter your text in when posting a message, browse for your image and viola it'll be posted. Otherwise, upload it at Photobucket, copy the "[ img ][ / img ]" info and paste it into the body of your post.

Look fwd. to see what you have to share with the A.I. ferrophiles., so get crackin'. Grin
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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2008, 05:08:53 PM »

Here is a couple of hero designs not IM of course,but let me know what you think




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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2008, 06:47:49 AM »

I've kind of been avoiding this thread because I didn't know exactly how it would work, but after reading all the posts I must admit there is quite a bit of interest and some really good ideas that have been posted.

IJ, that drawing was awesome! I love the shredded coat idea.

While I love the idea of a Hughes-esque Stark, you have to be careful with the armor. I agree that there should be no power with it. I'm totally on the pneumatic "repulsors", pneumatic or pulley-and-cable locomotion ideas from IJ, though (think giant walking spider from Will Smith's "Wild Wild West"). I also love the non-lethal weapons. However, I think the armor could be modularized to be able to include a tommy gun or something like that in IJ's drawing. And the overcoat and fedora are just icing on the cake, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't really like the ideas of vacuum tubes. Those things were so fragile, they'd shatter if you breathed on them wrong. You couldn't have IM fighting some villain, getting thrown into some sidewalk vendor's fruit and vegetable stand only to have about 4 vacuum tubes bust and then change the tubes during a fight. He'd have to have about 2 dozen backups of the things. Besides, were vacuum tubes around in the 30s?

I'm TOTALLY into the ideas of Tesla tech, though. That man was wicked smart and had some tremendous ideas perfectly suitable for a sci-fi comic set in the 30s. That would be sah-WEET!!

The biggest thing, I think, that needs to be avoided is making him look like the Rocketeer. Plain ol' iron armor plates would be good enough for the times.

You could still incorporate the supporting cast, as has been mentioned. Happy could be his bodyguard, Pepper could still be his secretary, too. She doesn't have to be his nurse. Either would work, though. Rhodey could be his driver or manservant or whatever, in keeping with the times. Of course, Tony would be the progressive where, even though he has a black manservant, it's only for show and he treats him as his equal. (Or am I living in a delusion because I want Tony/IM to be morally righteous?)

The other thing that would be interesting to tackle would be Tony's alcoholism in a time of Prohibition. Would he be a teetotaler? Or would he break the law and be a moonshiner? That would be a really good story line on it's own. Would he be helping Eliot Ness and the Untouchables take on Al Capone and his speakeasies and gin joints? Would he own his own speakeasies or gin joints? Serve both interests? It's something that could be taken many different directions.
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2008, 03:44:47 PM »

Iron Techie,

You've grasped the topic,and since you brought up my original thought of vacumm tubes,you're right they would be fragile,but that would be the origin suit.not the suits that would come later usingTelsa Based tech in combination with IJ's pneumatic systems would make Stark a foe against gangsters like Capone or barring that he finance the untouchables like he does with Avengers.

I would like to see your designs on this topic too.

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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2008, 07:26:56 AM »

No no no no....I'm not an artist. I was just having fun coming up with some different concepts. I would need someone else to draw them up.  Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2008, 08:26:22 AM »

Yeah, focussing on the armour is all well and good. But pulp-era Iron Man really seems to be overshadowing pulp-era Tony Stark here. I get the feeling that Iron Man is something Tony Stark is reduced to in this era, not quite the pillar of virtue he is several decades later. Think about the time he's in, the tail end of prohibition, the beginnings of the red-scare, the explosion of organized crime and the onset of the second world war. These were not good times to be a forward-thinking man of science with a weakness for drink.

As Iron Techie has mentioned, you can take Tesla's life as a model and see Stark as a maverick scientist hindered by industrial corruption and government interference. Capone and the mob should take a backseat to the ambitions of the american and nazi governments or his rival tycoons in appropriating weapons technology years ahead of its time. Something a high-profile public figure like Tony Stark could never manage to do in public, but may be able to bathed in streetlight and clad in metal armour.

I also love the non-lethal weapons. However, I think the armor could be modularized to be able to include a tommy gun or something like that in IJ's drawing. And the overcoat and fedora are just icing on the cake, as far as I'm concerned.

I'd like to see something a little less extreme. Something akin to the sleeve-gun rig from Taxi Driver, Tony could be outfitted with a mechanism that launches two sidearms into his hands. The image is so pulp it hurts.

I don't really like the ideas of vacuum tubes. Those things were so fragile, they'd shatter if you breathed on them wrong. You couldn't have IM fighting some villain, getting thrown into some sidewalk vendor's fruit and vegetable stand only to have about 4 vacuum tubes bust and then change the tubes during a fight. He'd have to have about 2 dozen backups of the things.

Basically the equivalent of Spider-Man's web cartridges and everybody seems to love them. I agree that it's a stupid hinderance, but it's hard not to see it appeal to people on the same level.

Besides, were vacuum tubes around in the 30s?

Yes. And for many years prior.

You could still incorporate the supporting cast, as has been mentioned. Happy could be his bodyguard, Pepper could still be his secretary, too. She doesn't have to be his nurse. Either would work, though. Rhodey could be his driver or manservant or whatever, in keeping with the times. Of course, Tony would be the progressive where, even though he has a black manservant, it's only for show and he treats him as his equal. (Or am I living in a delusion because I want Tony/IM to be morally righteous?)

Well, manservant is some pretty volatile nomenclature, I'd advise against it. The sad fact is that for Rhodey to be there at all, he'd have to be there in a service capacity at best. Tony being a progressive is a no-brainer though, a man smart enough to pull superscience out of his ass is probably at least smart enough to see through the prejudices of the time. Behind closed doors, Rhodey would be a friend and advisor, perhaps Stark recognizes his intelligence and wisdom or maybe he just has an appreciation for loyalty. All that aside, I can still see him being unintentionally sexist in his treatment of Pepper. If written well, it's something that could be played for laughs instead of making him look like a misogynist.

The other thing that would be interesting to tackle would be Tony's alcoholism in a time of Prohibition. Would he be a teetotaler? Or would he break the law and be a moonshiner? That would be a really good story line on it's own. Would he be helping Eliot Ness and the Untouchables take on Al Capone and his speakeasies and gin joints? Would he own his own speakeasies or gin joints? Serve both interests? It's something that could be taken many different directions.

Sober in public, a bottle of scotch in private. That's what I'd imagine his stance on prohibition to be. I still maintain that the mafia is beneath his attention and a buffoon like Ness certainly doesn't need any more sympathetic portrayals. Unless we're talking a realm of total fantasy here.

All that aside, I agree with you. There's plenty of material there for a few fun romps through the pulp era with a marvel superhero. Is that all due to Iron Man or is it the era that lends itself so well to outrageous plots and settings? Who knows.
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2008, 09:38:05 AM »

Buck- Like the Cosmic Samson. Very creative and nicely executed.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2008, 07:50:43 PM »

Thanks IJ,but my honesty gets in my way sometimes for Cosmic Samson I used hero machine 2.0 to design him with its the same program that Marvel is using for kids to create their version of ole shell-head.

As to the Superman/Smallville alternative costume for Clark to don instead of tights I used MSPaint.

It was cross between Green Arrow,and the Eradicator(notice the yellow visor).

Anyway check out my other designs in superior tech section.

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