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« on: June 14, 2007, 04:00:51 PM »

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In an interview over at Newsarama, Brian Bendis had this to say:

"It’s no just as simple as someone posing as Elektra – if that’s going on, there might be a bigger…an invasion might have already have happened, and earth may have already lost. If you start putting together the pieces of things that haven’t made sense, or people acting in a way that was contrary to what you’ve seen in the past, or if there have been holes in stories that people have told to their friends – on both sides of the coin, not just within S.H.I.E.L.D., but also in Hydra; not just the heroes, but also the villains. If you do that, you may be able to put together a tapestry of events that has been put forth since New Avengers began, starting with the earliest pages."

A red herring, or the vindication Ferrophiles have been looking for... Could be a couple ways to look at this. The Skrulls have infiltrated the Marvel Universe and are employing the divide and conquer routine. Or, and this would be a coup, Tony knows and has been trying to do something about it and the whole Civil War thing was a charade to determine who is legit and who is a skrull.

Let the debate begin...
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2007, 04:11:32 PM »

Then we have the Crossing all over again.  The only way I'd be happy with this is if it turned out that Stark WAS the Stark that we knew all along and that he and Cap engineered the entire Civil War mess to flush out the Skrull invasion.  In that regard, Cap isn't dead and is hiding (the Cap that got killed is a Skrull) and Stark put himself in charge of SHIELD on purpose simply to control it so that the Skrulls couldn't get to it.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2007, 04:19:03 PM »

Go read the article and interview here:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=116568

Speaking for myself, this has a lot of story potential (besides being a subtle retcon mechanism).

As far as having another Crossing, I beg to differ. If we get a big, "V" style reveal (if your not old enough to remember "V", go rent the first 2 mini-series... I'll still be here. It's worth the cost of rental.), then it puts the whole Marvel U. on it's ear and creates some very interesting story possibilities.

IMJ, let it develop. You've trusted Bendis with Mighty Avengers and Illuminati, have some faith!
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2007, 04:26:54 PM »

What behavior of Stark's has been so out of character?

Specific examples please.
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2007, 04:29:50 PM »

What behavior of Stark's has been so out of character?

Specific examples please.

IMO Tony's NOT a Skrull. I think he's tumbled to what's been happening and is trying to save the world.
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2007, 04:38:12 PM »

What behavior of Stark's has been so out of character?

Specific examples please.

IMO Tony's NOT a Skrull. I think he's tumbled to what's been happening and is trying to save the world.

That's what I'm saying too.  I'm hoping that Hill is a Skrull and Tony knows it. So he aids Fury in going into hiding.  The Secret War was staged to have Fury bring Cap underground as well.  The Cap that Tony took on during Civil War was a Skrull (Tony knew this) and near the end of this Cap and Fury come out from underground and rejoin Stark to defeat the Skrull invasion.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2007, 06:31:42 PM »

This is probably end up with Stark being a traitor under mind control, helping the Skrulls, more crap being blamed on him, he orchestrated the Civil War to kill the heroes who stood in the Skrulls way.

Seriously, I actually have this little faith in Marvel anymore  Sad
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2007, 07:48:50 PM »

As much as I would rather it be the skrulls, many of the recent major crossovers have seemed to be about heroes fighting heroes, or at least characters who are not intrinsically sinister ->obviously Civil War, Secret War ended up being all Fury's folly, theres that war with the Inhumans, World War Hulk has heroes against the Hulk, etc. etc.

Just the same, I would love to read comics if they were based on the premises that you guys come up with.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2007, 11:11:24 PM »

If that turned out to be the case, I'd buy it.  That's actually a great scenario.

The only problem I see is that a lot of people wound up dead during Civil War by accident.  Happy Hogan for instance.  Bill Foster.  All of those Stamford kids.  If Cap, Fury, and IM orchestrated the entire Civil War thing, how do they justify and explain that?  It would be one mind-bending tale, that's for sure.

But, if the Happy Hogan that died turned out to actually be a Skrull, I'd be elated.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2007, 01:40:23 AM »

I would love to read comics if they were based on the premises that you guys come up with.

Yeah totally. That could be great, but I can't help but think that Iron Man might still come out looking bad somehow. I remember when the editors at Marvel promised that Civil War was going to be "balanced", and we all know how that turned out. I would love for Iron Man to be vindicated and that might just be where all of this is going, but I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2007, 07:39:25 AM »


Just the same, I would love to read comics if they were based on the premises that you guys come up with.

Not a bad idea actually. Almost be worth a try the members here putting together an issue.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2007, 05:54:46 PM »


Just the same, I would love to read comics if they were based on the premises that you guys come up with.

Not a bad idea actually. Almost be worth a try the members here putting together an issue.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2007, 09:18:23 PM »

If that turned out to be the case, I'd buy it.  That's actually a great scenario.

The only problem I see is that a lot of people wound up dead during Civil War by accident.  Happy Hogan for instance.  Bill Foster.  All of those Stamford kids.  If Cap, Fury, and IM orchestrated the entire Civil War thing, how do they justify and explain that?  It would be one mind-bending tale, that's for sure.

But, if the Happy Hogan that died turned out to actually be a Skrull, I'd be elated.

What if Bill Foster was a Skrull? What if Stamford was a Skrull base? Things that make you go Hmmm.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2007, 09:20:43 PM »

how come everybody is sure that the skrulls are the ones invading :S??
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2007, 09:27:25 PM »

What behavior of Stark's has been so out of character?

Specific examples please.

And I'm not avoiding your question, Tetra. IF this whole Skrull infiltration has been going on since the end of the Kree-Skrull War and /or Avengers: Disassembled, and Tony's tumbled to that, then his actions, that have seemed out of character, extreme and/or inexplicable, are totally justified.

Personally, I like the idea of Tony orchestrating a diversion (CW) and detection and recruitment plan (Registration and Initiative), while Fury works to create an underground resistance and handles logistics.

I guess I was being a little devious and/or sensationalistic with my thread title to generate discussion.
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